First of all, what a terrible human to liken the Holocaust to abortion. I have said this to pro-lifers time and time again and they have no rebuttal: fetuses are not aborted because of their race or religion, they are not tortured, starved, raped and beaten, forced to watch their families, friends and fellow victims die brutal and unthinkable deaths. They were not living beings, walking around with a personality, established life, friends or family, they are not independent humans who live their own life and make their own choices. How in anyway, is the discontinuation of a pregnancy, the abortion of a fetus, like something as tragic and heartbreaking as the Holocaust?
Second of all, to relate those two things, wow the poor survivors of the actual Holocaust, or those with family and friends who witnessed it and lived it? Way to take away what an impact the Holocaust was, what a horrific time in history it was. How can anyone feel good about themselves saying they are a survivor of the abortion Holocaust when they have never lived through any of the horrors that Holocaust survivors did, or the conditions in Europe people had to live through at the time?
I find it sickening to know that there are people out there with the audacity to claim abortion is just as bad as genocide.
After comparing abortion to the Holocaust, and some people to Hitler (WOW), he bombards people with Bible verses and again, manipulating those who believe in the right those chose into saying they are immoral, he, very condescendingly, aks them if they believe abortion is a right (whatever happened to the separation of church and state is beyond me, conservatives seem to be very happy with knowing and exercising all their rights but this one).
Of course if you have very little knowledge, very little opinion and have just been emotionally manipulated, guilted and accused of being immoral and told fetuses are indeed babies and abortion is in fact murder, what are you going to say? You’re going to say abortion is wrong.
I’m a pro-lifer. I oppose abortion, at least in most circumstances. But this movie is completely missing the point of the debate. In a variety of ways, he says that abortions are the same as the Holocaust. The heart of the actual debate is skirted around a couple of times: whether a fetus is a human life. Note that I use the word fetus, because one of the common pro-life tactics is to refer to a fetus as a baby, which leads you to the association by way of the linguistic choice that babies have life and therefore you shouldn’t end that life. In the movie he repeatedly uses baby, not fetus. Again, I believe that abortion is wrong at least in most circumstances, because I believe that a fetus is life, but it is a sneaky tactic that I’m not a fan of. By avoiding that question that defines the debate, he gets away with equating the Holocaust with abortion. If you accept that a fetus is a human life, then I can see the comparison, although there are big differences, too, like the motivation behind it (racism as opposed to not thinking you can handle the challenge of motherhood). If you don’t accept that, as pro-choicers don’t, then his argument is entirely useless.
Then after a very awkward segue, the movie progresses to talk about Heaven and Hell, and it is time for some good old fashioned turn or burn preaching. This is a common tactic. First, start by establishing that the other person is a dirty wretched sinner. I find this almost amusing sometimes, because honestly I think most people acknowledge that they aren’t perfect. They just don’t think it is that big of a deal. But he goes to great ends to establish that each person he is talking to is a liar, a thief, an adulterer (lust, which he doesn’t define), a murderer (anger, also not defined), etc. He even outright tells somebody that the only reason they don’t believe in God is because he is a giant list of sins to which the guy seems to have given up and says basically “yeah, sure, that makes sense”. And if you’re a sinner at all, then God is bound by the laws of the universe (that he set up) to send you to eternal torment in Hell. Therefore you are going to Hell. He spends no time explaining why this is so, and the people in the video never bother to challenge him.
So to wrap that up, I do have a problem with the turn or burn preaching, or maybe two problems to be more accurate. One, it doesn’t work anyway and I think it is far more often counter-productive than productive. It may convince people to say the prayer that you present as the magic get out of Hell free card out of sheer fear, but they’ll have forgotten about it the next day. Then they’ll go back to their normal lives but with more antagonism to Christianity since they now are more convinced that we are just about scaring people into agreeing with them. They’ll also catch on to most if not all of the logical inconsistencies. Two, it corrupts or at least waters down the actual Gospel, which is Good News indeed, no matter whether you focus on the remission of sins, the conquering of evil, the coming of the kingdom of God, or the end of religion. They now define the core of Christianity as avoiding the scary God bound by the rules of retributive justice to send them to Hell. They don’t think of Christianity representing a loving God, a gracious God, or a forgiving God, and they don’t think of Christians as any of those things either. So while maybe they gave in and said the Sinner’s Prayer to get you to go away or because you scared them too much, they’re left farther away from the real God instead of closer.
A movie comparing abortion to the Holocaust was handed out to students at Wagoner High School. Now parents demand answers. The movie titled “180″ opens with images of Hitler and the Holocaust where 6 million Jewish people were killed in concentration camps in Nazi Germany. After a brief discussion between the host and the interviewees, the conversation then turns to abortion and compares the two. It’s a movie with a clear pro-life message, and it found its way into classrooms and hallways of the school.
“She said that she had seen a DVD in school that basically said that if you have an abortion then you are no better than the Nazis and you will go to hell,” says concerned parent, Marty Angus. Angus was furious after his stepdaughter came home and told him she had seen it in class.
“She said well, we went to our lockers on break and there was a note that said come pick up your free DVD,” says Angus. We did some checking with the district, officials tell FOX23 a local family asked the principal at the school if they could give the DVD to students. The answer was yes, but only if the students got parental consent first. Superintendent Marte Thompson told FOX23 a student aide accidentally handed out the movies before the school got the needed consent. Once they realized the graphic nature of the movie, they confiscated all the DVDs and returned them. “When I contacted the principal about it he said he was very apologetic and very sorry that it came out like this, and this was not the way it was supposed to have been handled,” says Angus.
But for Marty, an apology is not enough. ”I thought it was graphic and a clear violation between church and state and it was just awful to be shown to a high school student,” says Angus. In the future the district says it will be much more careful as to what types of material is allowed to be distributed to its students. The DVD was shown in two classrooms. Wagoner Schools takes full responsibility for what happened.
I’d like to take a moment to intercede the back-and-forth. I actually have seen the documentary 180, and I’ve judged it to be entirely irrelevant to the pro-choice vs. pro-life debate. I have my personal opinions on the matter (that change quite often as I do more and more research), but the truth of the matter is that 180 does an awful job at its intended goal. I have decently minded, secular pro-life friends who wouldn’t touch this documentary with a ten-foot-pole in an attempt to explain the pro-life point of view. I will try to summarize some of the reasons for this: 1. Ray Comfort’s Terrible Sources, 2. Ray claims that Hitler didn’t see Jewish people at people. Just like we don’t see fetuses as babies!, 3. Appeal to Emotion, Not Reason, 4. Comparison of Abortion to the Holocaust